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all right welcome back to at uap studies

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podcast uh my name is louis borges

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joining me as always jason gilmet how

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are you brother i'm doing very good how

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are you doing i'm doing really good i'm

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uh i'm feeling charged up you know when

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you're like you're really into something

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a topic and you're doing some research

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and you just seem to be getting

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hotter and hotter on

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on on the truth you know and especially

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with the topic like uap studies for the

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last 80 years 70 years whatever it is uh

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it's been something that's been really

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compressed and hidden and

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compartmentalized and even the people

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working on those projects haven't really

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had access to the full story and we're

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in the unique position where we're

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interviewing people that are either

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hands-on experiencer

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military people government people

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reputable reporters we're not just

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having to cipher through the the tsunami

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of information on you know the world of

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ufo twitter and social media and even

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television shows i mean everything has

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its own bias towards it so for us as

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being you know genuine researchers and

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that's what started the podcast was that

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desire to spread this information and

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get it out there and to where it's grown

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now over two years we've got thousands

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and thousands of people that listen

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every week thousands of people download

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the episode just to have a hard copy of

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it to listen again so we must be on to

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something and the people that we're

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bringing on with their integrity is

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definitely contributing to that so

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you know what let's summarize where we

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where we're at like we've had some

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really controversial people on the show

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uh and a lot of them have have given us

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unique details like i mean to take for

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calvin parker for example and sean

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cahill they revealed personal and

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intimate details that they've never

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spoken about on any other recording or

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tv show or podcast or anything yeah so i

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take that as a huge compliment to us um

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you know that we're we have a noble uh

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opinion about what we're doing and where

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we're coming from and that's really

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starting to gain some traction so um

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yeah

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the last few episodes are nuts like look

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who we've had on the show yeah and you

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know what like um even with the the

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premise of a podcast what i like about

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to introduce the news to

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people they have to do it a certain way

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for people to pay attention

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our listeners are already paying

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attention to people that are already in

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ufology their interests are there right

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it's great because the podcast grew

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because of that we don't have when we

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have the guests on we don't have to

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prime it up to have them tell their

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story we could just go right into it and

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that's a nice aspect of podcasting

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that's a little bit different than radio

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or even television is that you get to

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usually people end up you know having

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more to talk about because they don't

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have to wait there for the announcer to

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go well you know and then you know

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what about this like it's we can get

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right into the juicy stuff right away so

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and a little extra info for our

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listeners that you know just hear the

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show but before we record a show we get

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the guest on right now we're using zoom

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the body language and uh sometimes you

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hear a pause you think that's your time

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to interject and the guy's having a sip

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keep going so we like having the visual

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to go along with that it's more of a

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natural i mean we're people right we're

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we want to have that as well so but

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before we bring them on the show we

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give them 30 seconds of us in a nutshell

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uh you know this isn't about our opinion

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this is fact-based we're science-minded

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people we don't want to talk about

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nuts and bolts you know we've heard that

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term a lot lately nuts and bolts ufo

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close as you can get uh to a subject

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bolts in fact the more you learn about

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i mean how else can somebody travel

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24 million light years even if you could

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travel at the speed of light nobody has

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24 million years for a one-way trip so

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we must be talking about things on the

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quantum level um and basically

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it's becoming more and more obscure you

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know the deeper we go

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the the more obscure it's getting so we

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we speak to our guests we tell them this

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is the basis of our show it's a safe

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place there's no judgment

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we want you to just tell our viewers and

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our listeners what you want to tell them

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you know so when they come on the show

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and we roll the music and hey here we go

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they're already primed that it's not

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going to be that kind of show we're not

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here to ask them uncomfortable questions

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or stupid [\h__\h] that's going to make them

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not want to come back we want to ask

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them the stuff that our listeners want

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to hear like let's get right into it

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what happened and don't don't leave

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anything out and it's been working

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extremely well and i mean the quality of

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the recordings and the listenership is a

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testament to that yeah no

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i've had a blast uh so far in the last

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two years just seeing like the guests

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that i was able to get on because the

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thing is you know we're still to the

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point where we it's not like we have any

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people working for us booking the guests

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it really is just you and i

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contacting these people saying hey we

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we're not on apple which i've been given

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crap about that but apple is making it

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really difficult for me to put the

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podcast on there i don't know if i'm not

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technologically you know savvy to begin

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with but i think they can make it a lot

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easier to put it on there except having

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all these different steps you gotta meet

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you a code for this website it's like ah

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anybody is on apple and you really want

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this podcast on there just tell them

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make it simpler to for uh yeah we'll do

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there's a lot of people that are visual

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screen the entire time but my wife is

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one of those people when i try to get

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her to listen to a podcast i get 15

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minutes of her attention that's the

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subject's over her head and she's out

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us interviewing george knapp she's glued

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she's seeing who we're speaking to and

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it's just some people learn differently

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and absorb differently uh and in hopes

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to kind of not increase our show we're

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not doing this for money but to increase

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the number of people that are getting

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legitimate information that are getting

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need to hear legitimate information

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because there's a lot of nonsense out

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there and even the stuff that's truthful

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which we'll probably get into a little

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it's not a hundred percent like there is

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still a slant there there's politics

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behind the scenes and i mean let's be

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honest the same governments that have

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been hiding this stuff for 70 years now

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they release a tic tac video and we're

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supposed to say oh yeah we trust them

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now [\h__\h] they're they want to make

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this out to be a threat narrative

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because it coincides with that military

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installation keep spending the money

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keep investing in defense and let's keep

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this train going you know

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when you're a hammer all you see are

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nails so if you're military trained and

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through and through you don't know how

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to think any differently and i think a

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lot of the information that we get

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um and i think it's important to give

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people all the raw data and don't

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underestimate the intelligence of people

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to draw their own conclusion yeah they

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don't need it wrapped up with a bow

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because it's the same thing that they

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wrapped up in a bow 70 years ago and

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said there's nothing here don't worry

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about it go back to your life

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so don't be a sheep you know like and

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that's that's kind of where i come from

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as an investigator and that's sort of

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the message i want to bring to this show

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is uh take the information run with it

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you're going to have to read through 90

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of nonsense to get 10 of good but it's

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out there and the fact that there's this

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much volume of material tells you it's

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not a dead topic there's no things

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happening yeah but those that actually

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but ufology is a lot like a big puzzle

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and we get little pieces here and there

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and the pieces sometimes are for a part

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you know coming down the line but we

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just got to hold on to those pieces

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because they'll make sense later and

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when you hear about experiences from the

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past to right now the consistency of

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these experiences being weird that we

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still don't know that this is

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secretive as hell

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is still happening for me what i find

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funny now is the uh the navy seems to be

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as much experiencers as anybody else

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because you know they're being trailed

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by these orbs all the time and people

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are coming out from the navy after

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retiring and saying yeah man some some

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weird [\h__\h] going on uh you know we've

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already so that is cool

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you know it is the military that you

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know the the men and women that serve

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that are coming out and saying yeah this

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is what we experienced this is what we

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chased this is what we couldn't figure

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out still can't figure out what the best

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technology

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in the world you know they got if the

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best military in the world can't figure

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it out what's chasing them

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what's you know approaching their ships

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with the best technology that they have

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you got to say okay there's definitely

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something happening now momentum is

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moving like it's just air force not

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saying anything right now

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that's concerning i think they should

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speak up or we should have heard from

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them by now

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i mean let's look at the last five years

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i mean people have been into ufology for

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decades but

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most would agree the last five years

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have been the most

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uh record-breaking in terms of you know

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pieces of information so everybody's

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heard of the tic tac video

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and the subsequent gimbal and everything

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else the new york times produces that uh

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article in december of 2017 where they

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basically admit that the pentagon has

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videos of ufo craft that they can't

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quite explain so and since then that

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spawned television shows names like luis

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elizondo who's a former atip government

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employee who said that he could get more

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done in the public sector than he could

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working with government constraints and

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security clearances and all that and uh

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and now you have tv shows on the history

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channel uh tom delong from blink182

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forms to the stars academy you know with

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guys like richard um chris mellon and

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you know the rest of the uh hal put off

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and everybody else and it just starts to

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seem like wow we're getting traction

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here there's tv programs on it now it's

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in the news

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and then that's five years ago and but

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if you look at the subject data it's

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from like oh four when this happened so

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it's still way way way late to the party

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so i try to like to think of

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what's actually happening like don't

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don't just believe what you're reading

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in the paper why is it coming out now

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why is it written like that what's the

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context what's the end game here who's

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doing this and subsequently even in the

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last few months we start interviewing

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people and asking them specifically that

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and they start to fill in those little

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blanks right we talked to george knapp

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and he goes hey listen there's a bit of

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a confusion asap was actually the

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program with the 20 million dollars not

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atip and in fact him and colin kelleher

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were all over this because they had been

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working with the government to give them

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extra information all the way from the

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90s with nids and robert bigelow that's

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led to them to keep spending money on

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this to say hey we keep getting more and

341
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more legitimate stuff there's got to be

342
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something here and then he tells us on

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our show that yeah we were going to

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break that story but the new york times

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said if it didn't go through

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uh you know to the stars academy and

347
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tom's along they weren't going to run it

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so it's like okay well that's weird why

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do you need a former rock star because

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it's notoriety right they wanted to get

351
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they wanted the views they wanted the

352
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clicks it's become more social media

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driven than anything and it wasn't

354
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really about getting the story out it

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was about getting the right story out

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you have a specific set of facts and two

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narratives you know even steven greer

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he's gone on the record saying there is

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the story of what's happening but then

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there's those that say well you know um

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like take for example when the in the

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70s or whatever when the u.s

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nuclear silos were shut down and robert

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salas and everybody else goes on record

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saying yeah they came in shut down our

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nuclear weapons we can't even shut them

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all down at once and it was almost like

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they were sending us a message and

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everybody who was involved in those

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nuclear silo incidents and there were

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many it wasn't just one they all seemed

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to say that

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the overwhelming feeling they got was

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this was like a positive warning yeah

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like somebody cares don't do this if you

376
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are gonna get to that point of you know

377
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mutually assured destruction we can

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intervene and prevent that so it almost

379
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has a hopeful flavor to it and then the

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other narrative is the national security

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threat we got to be you know these

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things are coming into our airspace with

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impunity you know

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it's that human ego that thinks we

385
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control the planet we say who could fly

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here who can fly there it's that

387
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ultimate mankind thinking it's in charge

388
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of his dominion like who the hell gave

389
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us permission right exactly who elected

390
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us as the we're the worst people or

391
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worse species to be guardians of

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anything it's a very it's a very western

393
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way of thinking that we're in charge of

394
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this planet we'll just create a space

395
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force and you know one day there will be

396
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nuclear war it's just our

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military-mindedness

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ingrained in everything we do yeah and

399
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it's just rather than spending time and

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effort on things that might actually

401
00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:14,320
uncover what this really is i mean you

402
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know even people like bob lazar

403
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who tell incredible stories of reverse

404
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engineered craft that he was a part of

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working on and when he gets right down

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to the the drawings of how these things

407
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worked there's no control surfaces in

408
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any of them there's no levers and

409
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buttons and pedals they're run with

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their mind

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and think about what time travel would

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actually be or just interstellar travel

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if you're coming from a galaxy that's

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200 million light years away hell even

415
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:43,040
if it's 2 million light years away we

416
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haven't figured out speed of light

417
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travel but if we could that would still

418
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take you two million years to go one way

419
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:51,279
there's no way that that's how they

420
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actually move right and there's not like

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a point and shoot system if you were to

422
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go at let's say you could travel at 10

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times the speed of light there isn't a

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straight line from here to andromeda

425
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,720
you're gonna hit a meteor a planet a

426
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:04,959
star something in between it doesn't

427
00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:06,959
make sense there's nobody steering a

428
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:08,480
ship in space

429
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,880
on this journey it's it's becoming more

430
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:12,399
and more apparent that this is about

431
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:14,959
consciousness this is about quantum

432
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physics

433
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uh you know the fact that when you

434
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meditate and you do a brain scan of

435
00:15:23,269 --> 00:15:21,839
somebody there's different synapses

436
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firing than they are when they're

437
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:25,519
conscious uh it's about quieting the

438
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mind but that they must have mastered

439
00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:30,639
that in order to be able to move

440
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interstellar it's almost like the

441
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:33,600
equipment on the craft is only to be

442
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used once they're here the rest of it is

443
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:37,639
done through some type of

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dematerializing and re-materializing

445
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:43,199
at a quantum level you know this is is

446
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you know for me this is why i think

447
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they're so far more advanced than we are

448
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:49,839
because for us if you think of a motor

449
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:53,040
how many compartments and different uh

450
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,480
components is involved to make a car run

451
00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:58,000
these things you come in there's like a

452
00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:00,320
half basketball i think that bob was

453
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,399
talking about like a just a dome that

454
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:04,800
you would put into place on top of a

455
00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:06,880
weird pedestal thing and that's what

456
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:08,639
powered the ship

457
00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:10,880
like what the hell there's no source of

458
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:13,519
energy there's no fuel there's no it's

459
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:15,279
just you put it on there and that's what

460
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:16,639
and you could stand right next to it

461
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:19,839
there's no radiation there's pure energy

462
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:21,920
so you have that component with the fact

463
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that these things seem to fly by

464
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:27,279
consciousness intelligence right

465
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and the consciousness is throughout the

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whole ship like when you hear about the

467
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tic tac

468
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:33,519
incident the fact that it turned around

469
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almost and like spotted the [\h__\h] the

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captain favor coming down

471
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and then it started doing the opposite

472
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direction uh you know the consciousness

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00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:45,600
of these crafts is it seems to know that

474
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somebody's piloting them and their

475
00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:49,920
consciousness is extending beyond their

476
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,519
themselves it's going through the ship

477
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:52,959
which is crazy

478
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,560
i think that's technology that we don't

479
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:56,480
have i mean think about how great your

480
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,000
fighter pilots would be if you could

481
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,079
have that sort of energy or that sort of

482
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:02,240
capabilities right i mean look at our

483
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,000
most popular form of transportations

484
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,079
burning fossil fuels gasoline i think a

485
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,079
gasoline engine runs at like 40

486
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efficiency when you look at how much

487
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,919
energy between the spark and the

488
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combustion of the fuel and the oxygen

489
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:15,919
mixed with it and how much power you

490
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,000
actually get out at the end it's nowhere

491
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,240
near one to one right so it's we're

492
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already as advanced as we think we are

493
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we're using the most primitive forms of

494
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motion and propulsion that exists we're

495
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:32,640
burning dinosaur liquid and uh you know

496
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,799
we like we think we're there but we're

497
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,720
not there you know and it's just the

498
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,880
height of human arrogance and i mean if

499
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,480
you think about all

500
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,080
you know we talk about the threat

501
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:43,919
narrative are these things actually here

502
00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,400
for malevolent purposes if you can

503
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:47,919
figure out how to get from your star

504
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:50,320
system to here if you wanted us to just

505
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be

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slaves and mine gold for your star or

507
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whatever the hell you know there's been

508
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,039
many ancient

509
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:59,200
civilizations that have been told that

510
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,480
story you know the annunaki and

511
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,400
everything else that were here to mine

512
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,919
for somebody else's purpose if they

513
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:05,760
really wanted to do that

514
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,960
they would have done that as soon as we

515
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,880
blew up the first nuclear weapon they

516
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:10,880
would have let us know in very uncertain

517
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,840
or very certain terms uh who's in charge

518
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:15,360
yeah and instead they've had this

519
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,160
extremely passive restraint yeah

520
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,320
restraint you know like it's

521
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,320
there's nothing negative there now again

522
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,000
this threat narrative you can get as

523
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,640
political as you want but i'm believing

524
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,559
that it's actually from the government

525
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:30,559
and i'll tell you why i think that and

526
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:32,640
it goes back to a 1989 disclosure

527
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,320
attempt so i've

528
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,000
this is you can research this it's on

529
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,559
the record so there was a meeting that

530
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,240
was supposed to be set up with mikhail

531
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,320
gorbachev the you know leader of the

532
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,880
ussr george bush senior

533
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:47,200
uh the crown prince of liechtenstein his

534
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,320
name is hans adam de lichtenstein uh and

535
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,400
rolls off the tongue yeah it's a good

536
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:54,640
one and also the united nations

537
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:57,600
secretary general perez de cuellar and

538
00:19:03,190 --> 00:18:59,840
in 1989 they were going to go

539
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:03,200
and figure out a way to have disclosure

540
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:06,720
and perez de cuellar was abducted

541
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:09,440
legitimate alien abduction

542
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,000
and he told this story to stephen greer

543
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:14,640
in 92 three years later and stephen

544
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:16,240
greer had had people from the military

545
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:17,360
that were telling him about all the

546
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:20,480
stuff that they were able to create

547
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:21,679
including

548
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,480
the illusion of a ufo abduction

549
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,799
they had craft and people with

550
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,720
deformities to play parts i mean it

551
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,480
sounds ridiculous

552
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,880
and basically this guy was abducted and

553
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:35,280
told if you want to continue with this

554
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,799
everybody else will be abducted we're

555
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,559
going to have problems right so that

556
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:40,720
that never went any further that meeting

557
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,559
and in 2001 when stephen greer was

558
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,080
involved with the national press club

559
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,679
disclosure and everything else that's

560
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,120
where he was getting this subsequent

561
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,760
information and he basically was told

562
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,760
that in no uncertain terms they're a

563
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,080
legitimate abduction phenomenon and

564
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,600
there are ones that the government

565
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:57,760
creates just to keep the narrative in

566
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,240
people's minds that these are scary

567
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,720
these are things to be worried about and

568
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,000
you know the crown prince of

569
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:05,760
liechtenstein basically said people need

570
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,480
to be willing to exchange blood and

571
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,760
treasure

572
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,159
for the truth so if they believe that

573
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,640
this is a legitimate you know threat

574
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:16,799
something is coming here to imprison you

575
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,640
and to uh you know um to oppress you

576
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,559
where's your loyalty going to be yeah

577
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,200
and so you know we start off with again

578
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,919
the uf um the new york times article

579
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,600
we're all kind of like okay cool this is

580
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,440
all out there when you start to find the

581
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,000
fill in data that goes with it it's like

582
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,400
holy [\h__\h] this is just part of a plan

583
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,840
that's been in motion for years and

584
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,600
years and years and they just want to

585
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,360
make sure that now that they know this

586
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,799
is going to come out that it's only a

587
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,320
matter of time before

588
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:46,000
better and better videos and pictures

589
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:47,360
and all this stuff are captured on

590
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,400
people's media

591
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:49,600
they want to make sure people have the

592
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,480
right opinion of how to behave when you

593
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,360
know that ufos are real and ben affleck

594
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,880
has even gone on the record saying he's

595
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,400
pretty sure there's cia agents in

596
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,559
hollywood with all of the alien movies

597
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,120
they made aliens always the bad guy

598
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:05,440
trying to come here to you know uh you

599
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,120
know destroy us and america and america

600
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,280
defeats them and yeah and so the

601
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,559
government is trying to play on that

602
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,080
narrative that like hey remember the

603
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:16,080
movie when they came in and we helped

604
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,280
and we won

605
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,520
that's where your loyalty needs to lie

606
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,520
if this should go any further there is a

607
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:24,159
threat but we got it you know and it's

608
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,200
just

609
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:27,200
again how do you trust the same

610
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,880
information that's been just twisted for

611
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,960
decades now all of a sudden there's an

612
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,480
article in the paper yeah they're

613
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,640
telling us the truth don't be a sheep do

614
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,799
your own research try to read between

615
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:40,559
the lines not what they're saying what

616
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,000
is actually being said why and why now

617
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,760
there is i understand the threat

618
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,240
narrative like as recently the

619
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,640
article that came out or a few articles

620
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,520
that came out where uh they describe

621
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,799
people having

622
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,640
ailments and stuff like that after being

623
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,960
close to a ufo having radiation

624
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,799
poisoning or

625
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,039
what have you or unaccounted for

626
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,799
pregnancies so

627
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,000
that actually shocked me because i

628
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,760
thought that would be years down the

629
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:10,240
line before that came out to the media

630
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,120
you know

631
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,440
we interviewed george knapp he says hey

632
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,120
it wasn't just skinwalker phenomenon

633
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,400
because we interviewed him about his

634
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,400
latest book skin walkers at the at the

635
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,480
pentagon and uh

636
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,080
our our question was what the hell's the

637
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,600
connection we know about skinwalker

638
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,440
ranch yeah but what does that have to do

639
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,120
with the pentagon at government level

640
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,120
and it was basically the chronology of

641
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,240
nids to asap to atip which led to that

642
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,320
new york times article it painted all

643
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,320
the background of what led up to that so

644
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,400
it was really good but then to hear him

645
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,799
talk about the legitimate medical

646
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,559
problems people had after the fact

647
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,960
measurable i mean this is a science mind

648
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,120
like me loves that stuff measurable

649
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,520
repeatable documentable you know it's

650
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,320
not not a pie in the sky and so he

651
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,000
alludes to yeah people had all these

652
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:56,080
kind of medical illnesses then we have

653
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,679
column kelleher that co-authored the

654
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,919
same book on the next week and he goes

655
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,320
into great detail about that and and the

656
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:04,559
multitude of autoimmune diseases

657
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,280
hashimoto's disease and all this random

658
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,440
stuff that like nobody ever heard of

659
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,760
before but yet they seem to be tied to

660
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,240
these specific experiences and guys like

661
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,919
you've been witnessed as well right like

662
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,760
there's witnesses to this to these

663
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,760
events yeah and even calvin parker you

664
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,159
know during his experience there was

665
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,799
physiological trauma he bled

666
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,039
and you know like it was that trauma

667
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,880
from the physical pain that happened in

668
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,039
his first experience that when he had

669
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:33,039
another experience he went nuts broke

670
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,480
out of the trance and actually fought

671
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,280
back like yeah so um you know and then

672
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:39,039
so we we the last couple of months we're

673
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,640
getting data from people talking about

674
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,880
these after effects more than ever all

675
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,799
of a sudden like what a week or two ago

676
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,200
fox news has reports that yeah people

677
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,320
are reporting

678
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,400
weird after effects physiological

679
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,360
conditions even pregnancies so all the

680
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,679
people we thought were nuts and all the

681
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,279
stories of people that said yeah i was

682
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:58,960
involved with alien hybrid programs they

683
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,919
impregnated or stole over uh ovum or

684
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:04,240
sperm or whatever to do their own tests

685
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,440
there's more and more of this stuff

686
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,679
coming to the to the to the top right so

687
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:09,039
like you said you thought it would take

688
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,240
a lot longer

689
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,559
information spread so fast right now

690
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,240
it's important to have a compass to know

691
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,600
what's what it could be too because

692
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,120
just giving thought to this i'm just

693
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,600
thought experiment philosophy here but

694
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,840
to bridge the gap between two species

695
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,840
especially when it's interstellar you

696
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,440
know travel

697
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,360
do you think it makes sense to have

698
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,919
hybrids in between sort of link the two

699
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,919
species together because i think

700
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,760
something being alien to you like you

701
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,200
know an alien trying to describe their

702
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,960
technology to us might be really

703
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,279
freaking complicated right it may take

704
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,640
us a long time to figure out what the

705
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,720
hell they're talking about because maybe

706
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,559
their math is more advanced maybe their

707
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,480
way of thinking is so different that we

708
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,559
can't just you know there is some

709
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,400
interaction between them and us like

710
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,840
when you talk to

711
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,200
kathleen martin and she talks about

712
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,279
betty talking with them like they do

713
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,200
communicate with us but it's almost like

714
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,360
the way they communicate with a child

715
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,480
because the whole time we don't

716
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,000
understand

717
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,679
what about this what about that well can

718
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,600
you you know they they sort of just give

719
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,520
us little snippets but it's like it's

720
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,279
almost childlike the way that we're

721
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,440
being treated with this right not by the

722
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,360
government but by these entities we're

723
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,919
almost with kid gloves right if you read

724
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,240
anything on the ancient alien theory or

725
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:22,000
watch the show on the history channel

726
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,440
which you know it's a bit of a

727
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,679
polarizing show but regardless

728
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,919
if you read any of the like if you do

729
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,440
your own research and read these

730
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,000
folklores in these ancient traditions

731
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,840
and different parts of the world they

732
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,760
all seem to have

733
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,600
in their creation stories or in their

734
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,520
stories that involve dealing with star

735
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,000
people or what we would call aliens

736
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,080
there all seems to be a commonality they

737
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,840
give us information that they would have

738
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,240
no other way of knowing unless they were

739
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,240
previously here yeah look at what we're

740
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,520
doing now we're trying to find a way to

741
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,600
go to mars or some other planet maybe we

742
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,440
were already here

743
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:57,919
thousands millions of years ago maybe we

744
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,159
corrupted ourselves or the planet just

745
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,400
like we're doing now right like the male

746
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,200
genome is having a hard time reproducing

747
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,039
in every animal on the planet when we

748
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,159
use ddt pesticides it screwed up the y

749
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,200
chromosome so a female chromosome is xx

750
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,840
and a male is xy the more girls born on

751
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,279
the planet than boys right now as a

752
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,840
result of that even in the tiger world

753
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,679
people are studying how come there's no

754
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,760
more male tigers being born and it's

755
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,360
because of that so we're already

756
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,200
corrupting our dna and we know what

757
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,039
we're doing to our planet maybe this

758
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,520
happened many times and in many of these

759
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,000
ancient cultures they believe this is

760
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,320
the third or fourth world so maybe we

761
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,400
were here had to leave

762
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,120
as a result of environmental war who

763
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,520
knows but like if we move to mars

764
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,080
tomorrow our dna is going to change yeah

765
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,840
there's nobody to say that maybe we

766
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,240
don't reproduce anymore as a result of

767
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,159
those changes right like if you have a

768
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,159
planet with different gravity different

769
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,559
days of the year a different atmosphere

770
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,400
physiologically you're going to change

771
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,679
yeah i mean

772
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,080
right even on our own planet that hasn't

773
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,559
undergone huge swings in that because if

774
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,880
it did life wouldn't exist so the

775
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,400
changes of the planet have been very

776
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,559
very minute even global warming we're

777
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,000
worried about a one and a half or two

778
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,159
percent increase that's enough to screw

779
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,559
everything up so there have been no huge

780
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,679
swings once life started therefore our

781
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:22,000
genetics has only modified so much

782
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,520
enough to keep us alive and keep us

783
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,120
functioning whatever so if we had gone

784
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,520
to mars and undergone that amount of

785
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:30,399
change physiologically our heads would

786
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,080
change our hands our mouth all that

787
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,480
stuff then um there'd be it would make

788
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,840
sense to have some kind of a hybrid

789
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,320
program or some type of a way of

790
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:40,880
injecting fresh genetics back into that

791
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,600
which is now screwed up you know well

792
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,320
it's like speeding up the process

793
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,760
for

794
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:49,360
a purpose like

795
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,120
um isaac isimov has the foundation uh

796
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,720
series and it's i always thought it was

797
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,559
great because everything was

798
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,399
happening for a reason and it was always

799
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,799
for the greater good 200 000 years down

800
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,440
the road so everything was like a chess

801
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,840
move and it was all for like when 200

802
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,679
you know or whatever 2000 years down the

803
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,640
road

804
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,559
everybody would be set up perfectly like

805
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,080
if they did everything correctly in

806
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,760
steps there would be this sort of

807
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:16,559
harmony across the galaxy and i thought

808
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,360
that's

809
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,520
an original concept because even it

810
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,120
could apply to this what's happening

811
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
right now is that there is a bigger

812
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,360
picture we just can't grasp the concept

813
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,080
we just we're not intellectually there

814
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,399
we haven't been part of like they

815
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,919
if they're here they're somewhere else

816
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,200
too right like they're we're probably

817
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,279
not the only ones that they're visiting

818
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,880
it's just there's probably a bunch of

819
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,919
primitive uh civilizations that the same

820
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,679
for us when we get to that point where

821
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,399
we can travel we'll go visit them

822
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,840
right we'll go figure out what's going

823
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,880
on over there and they're going to be

824
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,159
wondering what the hell is in the sky

825
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,399
well you know that's maybe just the

826
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,399
nature of the universe who knows but why

827
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,159
would they spend so much

828
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,799
or dedicate so many resources even if

829
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,799
it's just their time yeah why would they

830
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,720
be screwing around coming to mess with

831
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,200
the lesser civilized people yeah you

832
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,279
know we're either them

833
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,080
or connected to them or they've evolved

834
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,919
to the point where they're so benevolent

835
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,159
and caring that we're just life and

836
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,159
that's important enough to care about

837
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,000
you know like we need to almost think

838
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,720
not like people because we're pretty

839
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,960
poor thinkers as people right anything

840
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,039
that we discover technology wise we

841
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,440
weaponize and there's more money in

842
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,360
pharmaceuticals and healthy people you

843
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:29,760
don't get to be a society that's

844
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,640
ten or you know uh a hundred thousand

845
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,640
years more advanced than us if you're

846
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:37,200
going to blow yourself up or or die out

847
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:37,919
or

848
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,000
won't be that many generations you can't

849
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,640
copy that many times into the future

850
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,480
unless you take care of it right pollute

851
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,320
the well enough and there's no more

852
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,159
water for anybody so

853
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,000
you know it's almost like the way they

854
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,159
got that advanced was through their

855
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,919
hearts and their minds

856
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,080
and it allowed them to stay alive and

857
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,240
thrive and collectively use their

858
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,399
resources to find the answers to these

859
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,240
questions right now we're running around

860
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,559
the planet with one or two

861
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,760
meager motivations mainly war mainly

862
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,559
power and mainly money so you don't get

863
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,760
ahead by creating a secular society of

864
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,679
the means and the use

865
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,840
you know or the the right side and the

866
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,760
left side that's exactly what the

867
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,840
government wants polarity is great to be

868
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,760
able to control people because when you

869
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,000
have a side you need a coach to fight

870
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,520
against the other coach from the other

871
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,080
side it's [\h__\h] right none of this

872
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,799
exists in the cosmic world i'm sure

873
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,559
because they figured out a way

874
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,240
to understand that everything is

875
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,880
connected you know you have uh people

876
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,640
doing these close encounter of the fifth

877
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,640
kind events where they collectively

878
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,039
meditate and can communicate with

879
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,320
interstellar beings so it's like i'm

880
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,520
sure the government has played around

881
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,840
with doing the same thing but who do we

882
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,360
really want to speak on behalf of

883
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,200
humankind if it's only going to be the

884
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,960
government that has these clandestine

885
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:00,960
programs to try to figure out how to

886
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:03,840
communicate on an esp level what does

887
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,799
that say for our chances well and bring

888
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,720
it back down to simple terms like the

889
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,799
government doesn't speak on behalf of

890
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,360
the people they're elected to run things

891
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,240
you know

892
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,320
as we know how do they feel

893
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,919
do you think they agree with that those

894
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,600
what the government well of course not

895
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,120
they're like well it should be us of

896
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,640
course it should be us because we're the

897
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,640
ones in power it goes to your head hey

898
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,559
300 million people elected me i know

899
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,559
better than 300 million how do you not

900
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,640
get a complex right for me it'd be

901
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:32,240
people like stephen hawkings or

902
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,519
something like that like present your

903
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,799
best people

904
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,880
you know like up front like th this is

905
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,880
the good people and then there's shitty

906
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,600
people who are mooches or destroy the

907
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,760
world or whatever but we do have some

908
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,080
good ones among us right yeah and

909
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,080
speaking of people you know like where

910
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,559
it's our eternal quest to get good

911
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,080
guests and better guests and everything

912
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,720
else and just to give our listeners an

913
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,880
idea of what it's actually like trying

914
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,399
to get people on the show we were

915
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,080
contacted by some very influential

916
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,880
people in the u.s um that wanted to put

917
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,039
together a four-man panel

918
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,480
and i won't say the names because you'll

919
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,960
probably kill me but essentially these

920
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,039
are people that have been on tv names

921
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,200
that you would recognize so they wanted

922
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,679
to have a serious representative from

923
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,919
the united states an equally serious

924
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,679
representative from the uk

925
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,840
one from australia and they wanted to

926
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,679
get somebody from canada who had

927
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,919
recently gone on the record encouraging

928
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,600
the study of these type of things and

929
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,080
encouraging cooperation with the u.s

930
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,000
and we have some canadian connections

931
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,640
and we did our damndest to reach out

932
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,960
contact explain who we were give our

933
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,200
credentials here's our episodes here's

934
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,039
the flavor of what we do

935
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,799
we want to talk to the real people and

936
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,840
they don't even respond they don't even

937
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,440
send you a message saying hey i'm not at

938
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,080
liberty to discuss that so as as much as

939
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,080
we think we've evolved and yeah

940
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,240
disclosure's out there now you read

941
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,799
about the tic tac it's [\h__\h] they

942
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,480
still don't want to talk about it they

943
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,240
don't want to go on the record because

944
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,399
there's still stigma attached to it and

945
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,159
there may be real ramifications for

946
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,320
these people if they do you know we we

947
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,399
asked the canadian member of parliament

948
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,240
does i basically speak on behalf of

949
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,640
canada on our show yeah and uh give his

950
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,399
opinion i mean he had enough guts to

951
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,000
stand up in the house of commons and say

952
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,120
something but he's ghost when it comes

953
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,640
to hey do you want to go on the record

954
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,120
and talk about that so it's we're not

955
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,440
there and i asked um

956
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,679
uh who did i ask

957
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,120
i think it might have been uh philip

958
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,960
mantle and i said you know with all this

959
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,080
great stuff that's happened with

960
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,440
disclosure and everything else why

961
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,360
doesn't it feel like disclosures happen

962
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,440
why we're not jumping up and down

963
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,679
saying hey they finally admitted it why

964
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,240
does it still have this air of

965
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,080
not really being that truthful and

966
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,360
that's because it's it's a good start

967
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,200
but we are not there by a long shot see

968
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,960
i always thought disclosure would be

969
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,519
like a wave a tidal wave that would just

970
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,360
hit everybody at once but i think it's

971
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,360
more seeping out of the ground

972
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,440
than anything else and because of that

973
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,960
we're so like well you know it's

974
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,320
stabilized

975
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,919
what's going on like you know we got

976
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,919
some tidbits of information here we got

977
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,240
some holy [\h__\h] information there but

978
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,159
there's also fighting like i'm on you

979
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,879
know we set up the account on twitter

980
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,040
i'm trying not to get into any arguments

981
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,560
or anything like that with people that's

982
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,879
pretty hard to do on twitter man it is

983
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,679
it is but you know what um like i said

984
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,480
it's i live by the uh mark twain motto

985
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,399
or quote where it's don't argue with

986
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,480
idiots they tend to bring you down to

987
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,159
their level then beat you with years of

988
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,480
experience and it's true like i get

989
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,240
caught up in that i used to get caught

990
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,919
up in that it feels good though

991
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,159
sometimes just rip somebody's head off

992
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,079
and then you deal with a week of like

993
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,240
why did i even say anything like i know

994
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:44,399
better and i did it anyway yeah i feel

995
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,079
like i feel so bad so trashy so no i i

996
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,919
try not to get involved into any of that

997
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,079
stuff but i watch what's going on and

998
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,079
you know lou's been having some some

999
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,399
hard times some people just

1000
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,079
you know going after him because he's

1001
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,400
he's easy target right everybody's an

1002
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,240
easy target in ufology anybody can reach

1003
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,160
out and say hey you're an idiot

1004
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,079
i don't value your opinion or your show

1005
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,680
or anything like that like anybody can

1006
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,640
say that

1007
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,280
uh even george was saying uh how he's

1008
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,640
trying not to get involved with these

1009
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,760
people and every once in a while

1010
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,040
somebody slips through and says

1011
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,040
something and then he gets en enraged

1012
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,960
and says something back and

1013
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,359
imagine his frustration since the 80s

1014
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,040
he's been getting people telling him

1015
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,720
stuff and then wanting to put out

1016
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,720
legitimate publications oh well i'm not

1017
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,320
going to go on the record for that so

1018
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,079
the same kind of things we experience on

1019
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,320
a tiny level yeah this guy spent 30

1020
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,240
years dealing with that you know like

1021
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,760
you must have told me for a reason

1022
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,119
because you believe it should be out

1023
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,200
there so help me bring it out there you

1024
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,040
know i'm a reporter that's what i do

1025
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,520
yeah go on the record but so i mean i'm

1026
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,320
sure the the information he's been given

1027
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,800
which he can't you know obviously uh

1028
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,640
report because you have that that

1029
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,800
confidence and if your name is mud then

1030
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,800
nobody wants to speak to you but just

1031
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,720
imagine the breadth of info that's out

1032
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,520
there

1033
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,280
and just some people cannot bring

1034
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,200
themselves to talk about it right there

1035
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,800
maybe there really is still a real

1036
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,960
threat on on a high level like if you

1037
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,839
talk

1038
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:07,280
we don't have black men showing up at

1039
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,480
our house but

1040
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,400
yeah it sure seems like it because

1041
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,880
people mum's the word when you hit a

1042
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,640
nerve for sure

1043
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,640
and yeah you're right i think it's still

1044
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,160
out there i think that disclosure is

1045
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,920
coming but there's certain things of

1046
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,000
disclosure that they don't want revealed

1047
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,599
like there's you know they might come

1048
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,040
out they want to angle it they want to

1049
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,200
make it so that they know it's coming

1050
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,040
out but they want you to have the same

1051
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,880
opinion they want you to have about like

1052
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,480
and then they can say yeah we told you

1053
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,560
we were forthcoming we gave you that

1054
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,359
info yeah 90 years later in a different

1055
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,359
color in a different language but uh

1056
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,200
yeah you sure gave us that info you know

1057
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,599
yeah and how do you explain that to to a

1058
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:45,440
general population that has no interest

1059
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:46,240
in

1060
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,000
remember a co-worker

1061
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,400
she was absolutely looking at me like i

1062
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,079
had just put my severed head in the

1063
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,400
fridge like she could not believe that

1064
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,480
i believed in ufos like you actually

1065
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,960
believe in that stuff and i'm like yeah

1066
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,040
they're everywhere man like everywhere

1067
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,640
everybody captures them worldwide

1068
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,400
there's abductions worldwide like this

1069
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,160
is a real phenomenon

1070
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,079
and to people like that that's who i

1071
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,839
think of the most like the world is

1072
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,680
shattered because to them there's just a

1073
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,760
nine-to-five job that they have they go

1074
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,760
to work they come home make food for

1075
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,359
their kids that's it that's the extent

1076
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:23,839
of life if you start going out hey maybe

1077
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:26,880
there's multi-dimensional entities with

1078
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,160
uh interstellar travelers uh they're all

1079
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,920
mixed in together they all come here

1080
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,119
they all have their own different

1081
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,359
purposes some of them are nice some of

1082
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,560
them are not

1083
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,400
some of them have different agendas than

1084
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,000
than we would like and we can't do

1085
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,000
anything about it they could fly over

1086
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,079
airspace they can shut us down if we

1087
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,240
want to and do whatever they want to the

1088
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,119
citizens it's no intervening for law

1089
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,079
enforcement or military uh you know

1090
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,720
they're not gonna send a team of uh you

1091
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,119
know commandos to come and save you from

1092
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:59,040
an alien abduction or you know if that

1093
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,560
occurs to you so

1094
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,920
i think that's the part that they're

1095
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,880
gonna

1096
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,040
they're worried about is shattering that

1097
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,800
world for those people

1098
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,800
because how how do they come to grips

1099
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,400
with that right that's that's it they've

1100
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,000
always controlled the narrative right i

1101
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,079
mean yeah there was a press conference

1102
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,920
at the white house in the 80s or 90s

1103
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,520
where they actually brought out a guy

1104
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,760
dressed up as an alien said yeah here's

1105
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,240
the guy that we found like they made a

1106
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,640
mockery of it and anybody who was

1107
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,400
legitimately

1108
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,640
talking about it looks stupid all of a

1109
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,640
sudden so the reaction you get from the

1110
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,400
general public there's an implanted

1111
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,680
reaction that the government's been

1112
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,160
working on for generations yeah so that

1113
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,680
people say yeah you're out of your mind

1114
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,119
well you believe in little green men

1115
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,440
what are you stupid that's exactly what

1116
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,280
has been implanted in the minds of those

1117
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,960
people that have that opinion right and

1118
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,520
that's exactly how they wanted it now

1119
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,520
people are starting to wake up are you

1120
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,680
paying attention the motto with the show

1121
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:53,200
and people are paying attention so the

1122
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,800
government's saying yeah well you know

1123
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,119
we took your concerns seriously we had

1124
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,720
all those projects signed and project

1125
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,640
grudge and project blue book and you

1126
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,640
know we didn't find anything but now

1127
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,480
you know 20 years later we want to tell

1128
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,079
you that yeah we've paid attention to

1129
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,640
nids and osap and atip and we spent

1130
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,000
money on this [\h__\h] and we're still

1131
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,079
spending money on it and there are

1132
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,240
things that we can't explain so they

1133
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,119
have this huge hero quality to them and

1134
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,760
again it's still that tic tac incident

1135
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,079
and the uss nimitz and princeton staff

1136
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,720
that saw it that happened in 2004 yeah

1137
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,200
you're breaking it in 2017. it's still

1138
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,680
way behind the buck like what's actually

1139
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,359
if you want to convince us that you're

1140
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,720
disclosing

1141
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,560
real things how about doing it on a

1142
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,359
timely matter not 13 years later

1143
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,680
and actually you know don't treat us

1144
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,760
like we're idiots we're not all idiots

1145
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,000
some of us run podcasts that will call

1146
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,920
your [\h__\h] out yeah

1147
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,320
or at least try to you know one way or

1148
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,160
the other and it's it's bizarre the

1149
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,800
number of people that you know um send

1150
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,119
us friend requests the reach of the show

1151
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,200
is all over the planet this is not a

1152
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,280
north american-based show we have

1153
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:02,160
listeners in the united states canada uk

1154
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:05,920
australia africa india yeah india it's

1155
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,880
nuts we so there is a demand for this

1156
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,280
type of stuff and just my advice to

1157
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,319
everybody is just keep going beware of

1158
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,960
the nonsense don't buy into the

1159
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,720
narratives from governments because

1160
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,839
they're all

1161
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:22,160
they all have their own bias yeah some

1162
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,280
countries might be a little more

1163
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,280
advanced in terms of releasing you know

1164
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,119
italy or france or

1165
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,680
but when you have uk united states it's

1166
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,160
same old same old give them a little bit

1167
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,800
you know wrap it up with your own bias

1168
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,640
and away we go right and the biggest

1169
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,800
thing as we all know like war is a money

1170
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:41,680
maker and the countries that specialize

1171
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,960
in producing tanks and munitions and can

1172
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,280
provide legitimate military support to

1173
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,359
other countries they use that as their

1174
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,520
bargaining chip as well hey one day if

1175
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,880
someone picks a fight with you you

1176
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,640
better hope we're on your side to bail

1177
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,960
you out so when it comes to things like

1178
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,000
this that

1179
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,839
we all have to kind of have a unified

1180
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,040
answer like they're not going to let

1181
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,119
some little publication in england put

1182
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:04,640
something out that's going to blow up

1183
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,760
this house of cards they've been

1184
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,560
maintaining for 70 years so as much info

1185
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,400
as we think we're getting it's still

1186
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,119
coming flavored from them

1187
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,079
and it's i don't know it's i used to be

1188
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,440
i used to think we were getting

1189
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,920
somewhere and i now it's just

1190
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,680
because we have access to so much stuff

1191
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,319
we talk to so many people we have names

1192
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,760
of people that we can't even mention on

1193
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,800
the show

1194
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,760
uh i i don't think we're getting any any

1195
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,079
closer i think that there's real [\h__\h]

1196
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,720
happening so continue the study of uap

1197
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,680
because that's the only way you're going

1198
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,520
to get the truth but in terms of what

1199
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,200
the government's putting out there don't

1200
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:40,960
put too much credence in it

1201
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,599
no and and be you know mindful of

1202
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,599
anything that comes out and and like you

1203
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,400
mentioned educate yourself read books

1204
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,640
there's so much documentaries

1205
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,400
that's the thing read books

1206
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:54,079
what which books you know who should you

1207
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,520
listen to which website should you

1208
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,920
belong to whose social media pages are

1209
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,359
good and who's full of [\h__\h] and then

1210
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,960
that becomes subjective because that's

1211
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,880
just from the viewpoint of let's say the

1212
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,079
host or

1213
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,839
the person that's on tv right there

1214
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,200
they're talking we interviewed vinnie

1215
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,119
adams who hosts his own very popular

1216
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,960
podcast and basically talking about the

1217
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,640
same thing like how do you weed out the

1218
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,440
nuts from the bolts you know like so to

1219
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,760
speak uh there's a lot of real good

1220
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:18,640
stuff

1221
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,800
like luis elizondo he parted ways with

1222
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,720
to the stars academy yeah they want to

1223
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,160
make it more media based and more

1224
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,599
television programming that type of

1225
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,359
stuff which is good because it still

1226
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,280
puts it out there you know they were the

1227
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,920
first to get that type of media on

1228
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,680
you know national channels that the

1229
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,920
average joe didn't have to subscribe

1230
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,560
extra to to get so the credit to those

1231
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,640
guys but when you look at a guy like lou

1232
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,040
elizondo or sean cahill it's like

1233
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,800
why have they chosen to do what they're

1234
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,760
doing now why have they chosen to

1235
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,560
a speak at all especially in elizondo's

1236
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,079
case you know like he's taking

1237
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400
significant threat and when we talk to a

1238
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,800
40-year veteran like george and app he

1239
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,560
validates all that yeah you take a

1240
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,240
significant threat when you talk about

1241
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,240
this stuff yeah and he even admits that

1242
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,319
his career would have gone a lot higher

1243
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,480
if he hadn't focused on uaps or broke

1244
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,640
the story of bob lazar but he to this

1245
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,280
day and we concur with him we i believe

1246
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,800
george knapp

1247
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,480
more than i believe most people out

1248
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,079
there i and i will say that not just

1249
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,640
because we like george but he is legit

1250
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,880
who's going to keep up a facade for 40

1251
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,280
years when it does nothing but kick you

1252
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,280
in the teeth every time yeah who's gonna

1253
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,720
do that unless they just there's no

1254
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,400
money involved there's no money in that

1255
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:32,000
[\h__\h] he's probably made half as much as

1256
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,200
he could have made if he just stayed

1257
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,760
working for cbs and nevada so he still

1258
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,520
does their their correspondence he's

1259
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,680
still a reporter for them and he writes

1260
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,760
books but i know people that write books

1261
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,960
they don't make any money off of that

1262
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,400
when you take the publication and the

1263
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,400
producing of the book itself and what

1264
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,319
the publisher takes and your agent takes

1265
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,000
there's nothing left

1266
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,839
not everybody's an award-winning author

1267
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,440
right this is more about just getting

1268
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,920
that info out there to help the cause

1269
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:57,119
they're benevolent in where they're

1270
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,560
coming from this is why my book

1271
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,440
recommendation dreamland by bob lazar

1272
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
explains his

1273
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,359
side of the events play-by-play

1274
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,599
conversation by conversation and it puts

1275
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,760
things in perspective we were talking

1276
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,480
earlier about how ufology so like chess

1277
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,040
pieces well what bob lazar was dropping

1278
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,440
was major uh not just pieces of puzzle

1279
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,440
pieces um i've been playing a lot of

1280
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,960
chess lately so i got chess in my mind

1281
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,480
uh puzzle pieces are you trying to take

1282
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,280
on the uh the ibm or beat like asimov or

1283
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
somebody what do you think no it's just

1284
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
i i used to have a good well a rating

1285
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,119
that was decent it was about 1400 and i

1286
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,640
prided myself in that started playing

1287
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,359
again i am not at 1400 anymore

1288
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,119
i used to be very good i played only

1289
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,280
online chess and uh when i played real

1290
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,520
people i got my ass kicked every single

1291
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,319
time yeah yeah i i humbly retired from

1292
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,319
the world of chess it's a game that

1293
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,160
enrages me and i love it at the same

1294
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,960
time but uh yeah the puzzle pieces are

1295
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,079
the uh

1296
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,760
what bob lazar was dropping you know

1297
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,040
like you know putting s4 on the map area

1298
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,880
51 on the map

1299
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,880
bringing people out to come see flying

1300
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,119
saucers at seven o'clock on wednesdays

1301
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,119
in the middle of nowhere

1302
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,280
and legitimate parties too like he'd

1303
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,280
have tons of people that he brought it

1304
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,280
several times one time they even had a

1305
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,599
winnebago and they were on top of it and

1306
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,440
he brought his his ex-wife and her

1307
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,640
friends and just it's crazy but

1308
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,680
you could tell now with the book it puts

1309
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,599
the puzzle piece it makes sense now with

1310
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,800
what's happening

1311
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,560
uh you know for a fact that they moved

1312
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,880
all the good stuff from s4 they don't go

1313
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:30,000
there anymore they must have moved to

1314
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,119
somewhere in the mountains where they

1315
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:33,520
can hide in tunnels or some [\h__\h]

1316
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,240
but

1317
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,319
yeah bob lazar's book is definitely a

1318
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,800
recommendation a must read as far as i'm

1319
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,920
concerned if you're into ufology because

1320
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,400
he explains a lot of how

1321
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,359
the inside jobs are with these people

1322
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,520
when you hire scientists to just you

1323
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,359
focus on this and you focus on this

1324
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,680
alone mentalize your things enough to

1325
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,079
not be dangerous yeah in case we have to

1326
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,640
make you disappear or in case you talk

1327
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,240
well and then it's crazy because he

1328
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,319
replaces somebody who died trying to

1329
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,040
drill into that half basketball thing or

1330
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,880
whatever so that's dangerous then he

1331
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,240
hears about the russians that were

1332
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,160
working in a different department they

1333
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,640
go missing he gets given a handgun like

1334
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,160
you could tell that even within the

1335
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,920
department it's not running smoothly

1336
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,640
there's there's so much secrecy and and

1337
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,640
uh death that's involved there and

1338
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,680
people haven't just shut up like signing

1339
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,520
non-disclosure degree agreements and

1340
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,160
being followed wiretapped like that was

1341
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,680
back then think about what they're doing

1342
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,200
now right they could just tap into your

1343
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,520
phone and listening to this podcast if

1344
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,200
they wanted to right so

1345
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,440
uh yeah he put a lot of things on on the

1346
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,119
map as far as i'm concerned that makes

1347
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,319
sense now

1348
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:42,000
that for a long time people were giving

1349
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,520
them [\h__\h] saying well this you know it's

1350
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,200
full of crap it's it's not true that's

1351
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,680
why i'm such a babazar fan or element

1352
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,839
115 that's all i got to say yeah how do

1353
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,440
you predict an element that doesn't

1354
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,920
exist 20 years in the future okay like

1355
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,599
if the periodic table of the elements

1356
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,560
went to 90 and you predicted 91 yeah

1357
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,000
okay you don't have to be a rocket

1358
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,520
scientist to figure that maybe we're

1359
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,000
going to find some other element in fact

1360
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,560
most of the elements over 80 anyways

1361
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,319
only exist in a test lab under

1362
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,400
controlled conditions and they're only

1363
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:13,040
stable for a fraction of a second it's

1364
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,240
not like something you dig out of the

1365
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,640
ground right these are just weird ways

1366
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,480
of arranging electrons and protons and

1367
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,079
making new molecules therefore you have

1368
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,760
new elements right so

1369
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,480
how do you predict an element

1370
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,319
that far ahead i think it was like 10

1371
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,800
ahead or 15 ahead of where the table was

1372
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:30,880
and then the properties of that element

1373
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,280
actually would make a reasonable fuel in

1374
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,280
fact a very good fuel for a

1375
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,280
nuclear-powered craft

1376
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,400
i mean i don't

1377
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,000
yeah you could be a you could be a

1378
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,480
really good storyteller you could be a

1379
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,440
lot of things but i think bob lazar is

1380
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,160
the real deal yeah i honestly do yeah

1381
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,000
no this was good i this was a good

1382
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,760
episode i'm glad that we got to brush up

1383
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,640
on

1384
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,079
some of the past guests that we've had

1385
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,119
and in the last two years it's been

1386
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,960
you know for me a hell of a ride because

1387
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,559
i got to talk to people that i've always

1388
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,160
wanted to talk to and ask them questions

1389
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,960
i've always wanted to ask them right

1390
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,160
yeah so it's it's listeners we haven't

1391
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,599
we've it's been two weeks now we haven't

1392
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,160
put out an episode we did uh a few

1393
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,240
episodes and one day a couple weeks ago

1394
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,319
with kathleen martin colin kelleher we

1395
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,160
don't like to typically hold on to shows

1396
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,240
and release them at a later date as we

1397
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,079
talk to people we put it up right away

1398
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,760
yeah so you've got two episodes in one

1399
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,440
week and you haven't had one for two

1400
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,760
weeks and now we're here so it's not

1401
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,240
from any other reason other than there's

1402
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,400
a lot of things happening we're in talks

1403
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,240
with lots of people as i mentioned

1404
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,839
earlier we had the you know greatest

1405
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:40,079
all-time four-way panel of guests ready

1406
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,119
to go

1407
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,520
and we can't get three or four this [\h__\h]

1408
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,440
happens this is the real world this is

1409
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,880
not just a show

1410
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:49,040
and it's cooler because of that because

1411
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,559
we're trying to do stuff that's really

1412
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,440
hard and get people to go on the record

1413
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,960
that don't want to go on the record you

1414
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,319
know it's not just

1415
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,400
if we put everybody on that email does

1416
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,079
you would never enjoy a single episode

1417
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,000
we produce because you can read those

1418
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,680
people's stories on twitter

1419
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,160
we're trying to filter out the junk and

1420
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,480
keep this as pure and we're one of the

1421
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,400
highest rated podcasts i know in our

1422
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,319
country in canada uh we're probably the

1423
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,119
highest rated uap podcast in canada and

1424
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,440
uh i mean even on spotify the other day

1425
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,319
you searched best ufo podcast and we

1426
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,960
showed up number one so which you know

1427
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,200
obviously yeah thank you yeah huge thank

1428
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:27,839
you sure yeah and we're almost nearing

1429
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,960
uh 50 000 uh spotify

1430
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,400
plays so

1431
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,119
people have been you know really awesome

1432
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,280
and and reaching out and you know just

1433
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,280
the love that we've received and the

1434
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,760
encouragement as well because this is

1435
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,640
a labor of of of love and and you know

1436
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,200
passion for the subject and uh yeah we

1437
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,040
hope to continue this as long as we can

1438
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,880
with the best panels that we can we are

1439
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,119
working very hard at it but uh yeah and

1440
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,880
we'd almost rather not put out a show

1441
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,319
than put on a show that you're not going

1442
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,880
to get any value out of it yeah if if it

1443
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,960
doesn't meet our stringent quality you

1444
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,040
know control test so to speak if they're

1445
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,040
not the real deal we vet everybody we

1446
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,280
read everything they it's a two-week

1447
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,119
study sometimes before we put on one of

1448
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,119
these shows we take it seriously we're

1449
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,800
not just showing up you know shooting

1450
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,760
the [\h__\h]

1451
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,760
there's a lot of mockery podcasts out

1452
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,200
there that just like to laugh and joke

1453
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:19,440
for two hours we do a bit of that but we

1454
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,720
want to make sure that you're not going

1455
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,160
to have you're going to learn something

1456
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,240
new and you're going to be closer to the

1457
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,079
answer at the end of it than you were

1458
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,079
before it started yeah and we're

1459
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,839
discovering everything from cattle

1460
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,559
mutilations abductions to

1461
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,559
people in the military to seeing things

1462
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,160
political people if we can get them

1463
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,359
scientists so the more that we get these

1464
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,200
people on and um we're going to get a

1465
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,280
lot more of the scientific coalition for

1466
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,839
uh uop studies members on

1467
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,599
the podcast here soon

1468
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,440
um reaching out we get a lot of love

1469
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,920
from some big name bodies we're just not

1470
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,599
in the business of saying hey you got

1471
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,280
anybody we could talk to we're not we're

1472
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,280
not starving for talent yeah we want to

1473
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,720
talk to the right people at the right

1474
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,119
time to discuss relevant things if

1475
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,640
somebody wants to come on and talk about

1476
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,640
you know calvin parker's calvin parker

1477
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,880
but his episode i mean his experience is

1478
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,680
decades old right um it's only because

1479
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,520
he is tried and true

1480
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,760
and has been tested a hundred times lie

1481
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,400
detector voice you know stress test all

1482
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:18,319
that [\h__\h] he still stands to test the

1483
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,599
time people are still writing books

1484
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,119
about him so he's still

1485
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,720
witnesses are coming out now yeah

1486
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,319
there's new information coming out we

1487
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,640
want to talk to him uh but in terms of

1488
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,119
let's just read you know regurgitate the

1489
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,440
same old story of area 51 we're not into

1490
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,760
that we want to this is for people that

1491
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,680
understand the phenomenon are interested

1492
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:37,359
in the phenomenon there's a lot of

1493
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,960
government people and xcia dod a lot of

1494
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,559
people listening to our show we know

1495
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:44,000
they're out there

1496
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,359
and we just want to keep it real for

1497
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,440
everybody to keep it keep it as clean

1498
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,599
and as legit as it is yeah and that

1499
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,599
being said anybody that wants to come on

1500
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,680
a podcast that have something to share

1501
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,680
from those groups uh you're almost

1502
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,760
welcome to to do that as well uh that's

1503
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,280
an invitation that i've never put out

1504
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,800
there but that's true it's it's a good

1505
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,800
idea that if you know if you guys are

1506
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,920
listening to this and you want to

1507
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,040
partake

1508
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,800
or just come on and share your

1509
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,040
experience um yeah we're definitely

1510
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:10,960
interested in that as well yeah it's a

1511
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,520
safe place we told it to uh to uh sean

1512
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:15,280
cahill we were trying we always like to

1513
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,480
get somebody to say something they

1514
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,559
haven't told anybody else so i kind of

1515
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,079
put them on the spot i said come on man

1516
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,800
come on save space you could do this and

1517
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,119
he revealed i'll get you guys listen to

1518
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:26,960
the episode you hear for yourself he

1519
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:29,920
revealed details of a personal very

1520
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,440
intimate experience he had with a uap

1521
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,720
and witnessed the pilot of the uap this

1522
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,720
is not just i saw a light in the sky

1523
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,960
yeah i'm talking specific details so

1524
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,559
when somebody like that who worked for

1525
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,800
the military very closely related to

1526
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,880
louis elizondo same message or on the

1527
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,880
same media platforms when somebody like

1528
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,480
that gives us info they never told

1529
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,599
anybody

1530
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,280
we take that as a compliment and calvin

1531
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,800
parker did the exact same thing when he

1532
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,599
told us his story he told us my new

1533
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,000
details that i've listened to all of his

1534
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,839
interviews i've never heard him say some

1535
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,079
of those details uh that he shared with

1536
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,319
us on our episode with calvin so if you

1537
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,920
guys haven't heard it check it out it's

1538
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,599
definitely a good podcast they're all

1539
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,640
good podcasts and let's just keep the

1540
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,800
keep the road to disclosure uh um

1541
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,800
churning along let's keep it going and

1542
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,240
we appreciate all your comments and all

1543
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,680
your love we don't really get any hate

1544
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:22,160
mail we don't get any trolls so we love